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05 February 2014 @ 08:58 pm
Breaking Bad  
Um. Wow. From start to finish the entire show was amazing. From the start I really liked Walter and Jesse's relationship. IDK if it ever really got to a friendship, but they absolutely cared about each other up until the very end. Plus, it cracked me up that Jesse always referred to his partner as "Mr. White".

I've seen a good amount of hate for Skylar. I have to admit in the beginning I really wasn't sure if I liked her, and I didn't for a while. She was annoying in the beginning, and I don't think I actually really liked her until she found out about what Walt was doing? She was so back and forth the entire show, though. And honestly if she really despised what Walt had become why didn't she pack the kids up and leave? (Because then there'd be no show, I know.) In the last season when Marie comes to her when Walt has been "arrested" she turns against Walt so quickly, but then when he comes back and says good-bye to Holly she watches him almost nostalgically. IDK, but I'd be interested to hear what the discussion was like when the show was airing.

Some of my favorite episodes were the ones where nothing big happened. Like the episode when Walt and Jesse had to kill the fly because it was contaminating the lab. But then I liked the episodes where EVERYTHING happened like when Gus takes Jesse to Mexico and kills EVERYONE, when Hank dies (how did I not see that coming?!), when Walt blows Gus up, when Jane dies.

I liked the message that I got from the show--every time Walt struck it big making all this money by selling drugs, it was taken away from him. Not that the almost $10 million is anything to scoff at, but he lost a hell of a lot of the money he made and in the end it destroyed his entire family's life. The show certainly did not glamorize the life of drug dealers, which I appreciated. It felt really real.

When it was over I felt like poor Holly...



So talk to me! I'd love to hear what y'all thought of the show, especially if you were watching it when it was airing.
 
 
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push pineapples, shake a tree...: [bb] jesse | blue sky dawnwaltzmatildah on February 6th, 2014 03:08 am (UTC)
My favourite show ever in the history of all shows. Quite possibly in the history of all entertainment.

The end.





No, kidding. OMG though. I could start and never stop talking about this show.

I watched when it was airing and I'm 1000% convinced it was an utterly different experience to anyone who started watching even, like, from season four onwards, I'd say? The show started with negative amounts of hype and barely made it past season one. The writer's strike happened and it was reduced to a handful of epsiodes and storylines were changed (Jesse was supposed to be killed off in the season one finale... can you IMAGINE??!).

Anyway, I literally tuned in with ZERO expectations, and, having never seen Malcolm in the Middle, no knowledge of ANY of the actors or actresses involved. I didn't even really know what it was about or what genre it fell into. But the opening sequence from the pilot episode absolutely KILLED IT in my opinion. What a way to start a show, seriously. That's still one of my favourite episodes of the show ever. I think watching it in this way, watching it morph from weird and wacky and virtually unknown into this multi-award winning behemoth, was completely different to poeple who've come in later and already with their expectations ramped up to sky-high. If that makes sense.

Now onto the show itself.

There is not a single thing about this show that I don't love x 1000. EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT (costume, line of dialouge, camera angle, plot-point) was, imo, absolutely INTENTIONAL. And considered and meaningful and, by the end, wrapped up. Seriously, the technical and storytelling aspects of this show were (and still are) second to none.

The cast. WOW. What a freaking amazing cast, right? I mean, from the business exec who offs himself with the defibrillator all the way through to Wendy the junkie prostitute, the Peekaboo boy, Badger and Skinny Pete, Marie, Lydia, Gus, Mike, Saul, Huell, Todd, and finishing up with Jesse, Skyler, Hank and Walt. Just, FREAKING WOW, MAN. Not enough awards on the planet for the cast.



(I think LJ is gonna tell me this is too long so I'm going to try and post then, then I'll be back -- yep, too long! I'll put the Skyler stuff in a separate reply...)

goldenusagigoldenusagi on February 6th, 2014 12:20 pm (UTC)
The writer's strike happened and it was reduced to a handful of epsiodes and storylines were changed (Jesse was supposed to be killed off in the season one finale... can you IMAGINE??!).

Perhaps the only thing I will ever thank the writers' strike for. It ruined a lot of shows that it struck.

Oh, and I'm not sure I mentioned it, but I started watching BB in S5. I'd heard people talking about it, so started it on Netflix, then flew through S1-4, just in time to catch the first half of S5 as it aired. I have to say, BB is one of the things I'm glad I watched live. Usually I don't care about things like that, but I'm glad I could experience the finale in real time.
push pineapples, shake a tree...: [bb] huell | sitting waiting wishingwaltzmatildah on February 7th, 2014 01:25 am (UTC)
Perhaps the only thing I will ever thank the writers' strike for. I KNOW!!! Haha. We lucked out over in BrBa land, that's for sure.

Usually I don't care about things like that, but I'm glad I could experience the finale in real time. Yeah, me either, but I definitely am with you in this case!
push pineapples, shake a tree...: [bb] skyler | chain smoke stackswaltzmatildah on February 6th, 2014 03:15 am (UTC)
Re. Skyler. OH, BOY. SKYLER. I loved her from the start and in season five she was my favourite character so... I should probably lead with that information. However, I do think dislike for Skyler AS A CHARACTER is completely understandable. Likewise, dislike for Walt. They are NOT VERY NICE PEOPLE. But, you know what? That's life! And I don't think you have to LIKE Skyler to UNDERSTAND her or APPRECIATE her as a character.

And honestly if she really despised what Walt had become why didn't she pack the kids up and leave? I disagree that the reason this never happened was because "then there'd be no show". If this is what Vince Gilligan wanted, if that's the type of character Skyler really was, then that's what would have happened and there'd still have been a freaking amazing show. But to say that the only reason Skyler didn't take the kids and leave was because then there'd be no show is to utterly miss the point of Skyler's characterisation, imo. Like, utterly.

Skyler didn't leave because, deep down, SHE LIKED IT TOO. She was just as ruthless and competitive and manipulative and driven as Walt. In fact, in some ways, SHE WAS EVEN BETTER AT IT THAN HE WAS. I mean, she'd been 'cooking the books' for Ted for who knows how long. She orchestrated the purchase of the carwash with cold fury because Bogdan dared shame her and her husband. She concocted (AND REHEARSED!!!!!!!!) the lies about drug use and gambling for Marie and Hank. I mean, Skyler was in her freaking ELEMENT most of the time. She was, by far, the most effective liar on the show. So effective that I'm kinda convinced she convinced the audience too.

I mean, don't get me wrong, there were obviously times that she was scared or shocked or disgusted with what was going on. I think she had a better grip on morality than Walt did, and I think she was a lot colder and more clinical in her interpretation of what they were doing and why (ie. she didn't buy in to Walt's "it's for family" mantra) and this would trip her up every now and then but, for the most part, she was ON BOARD. And when you think about it, it makes sense that she would be. She's an intelligent, driven, resourceful, ambitious female who... sells second hand ornaments on eBay to make ends meet... liiiiiike.

But she could never come out and SAY she was on-board because that would give Walt the upperhand. She could never even admit that to herself. In other words, let this be a lesson in not believing everything that a character says to us about themselves. They have a vested interest in presenting a particular view, just like we do, IRL. I think the fact that Skyler has baffled so many viewers is testament to the incredibly HONEST writing and directing for the character from Vince, et al. SO GOOD, OMG.

I particularly loved the scene where Skyler walked into the pool at the party. On the surface it looked like a breakdown (and, to be honest, there was probably an element of that in what she did, which is why it worked so well) but, at the same time, it was a statement to Walt. She was setting him up to take the fall should they be caught out. She was busy building a story for Hank and Marie, and sending a giant, "anything you can do, I can do better" to Walt at the same time. I mean, in the end she probably could have 'trusted' Walt more than she did, but she certainly didn't know that at the time and I thought the scene was pure perfection. Their contempt for each other was only matched by their love. Walt and Skyler are my favourite dark!ship. They are dysfunction at its finest!!

Edited at 2014-02-06 03:17 am (UTC)
Noelle: Fredspuffy_noelle on February 27th, 2014 12:25 am (UTC)
Okay I can see that. Skylar was definitely on board at times, but then what gets me is that no matter how much she was disgusted with herself/hated herself and deflected onto Walt she still ultimately let's him take the fall solo. So what does that say about her? (no really, tell me what you think lol)

And sorry for the delay I got really busy and I wanted to give my full attention to reading/answering these wonderful comments!
push pineapples, shake a tree...: [bb] skyler | chain smoke stackswaltzmatildah on February 27th, 2014 05:36 am (UTC)
no matter how much she was disgusted with herself/hated herself and deflected onto Walt she still ultimately let's him take the fall solo. I KNOW OMG I LOVE HER SO FREAKING MUCH!!!! I mean, in many ways, she had every right to let him take the fall solo. Actually, in MOST ways. He didn't ask her for her opinion when he started tearing their family apart, she didn't give him her permission (at least, not at the start and never in any direct fashion -- though she did in indirect ways, using the money to 'save' her ex-lover, Ted, asking Walt to eliminate Jesse etc). I actually think Skyler was the most complex of all the characters. Walt, when it came down to it, was pretty straightforward. Jesse utterly wore his heart on his sleeve, as did Hank, only in a different way. Skyler was a puzzle, a messy, hypocritical, awful, scared, mother of a puzzle.

So what does that say about her? I honestly think Skyler was far more pragmatic about everything than Walt ever was. There was so much emotion tied in to every move Walt made (even if it was only emotion tied to having his ego hurt etc), whereas I found Skyler to be much colder and more calculating. Therefore, I absolutely buy that Skyler let Walt take the fall solo because, unlike him, she ACTUALLY HAD thought about what this would do to her family. She knew that they would both go to jail if it all came out, and what then for the kids? That's why she not only kept quiet when it all fell apart, she'd also spent time and thought on concocting a plausible 'out' for herself (which Walt also used in the phonecall in Ozymandias).

GUH.

THOSE TWO.

SO RIGHT/WRONG/THE WORST/BEST FOR EACH OTHER!!! A match made in HELL!

I will love them FOREVER!

And sorry for the delay Seriously, you could have replied to this 12 months later and I'd still have responded with the same amount of OMG LET ME TALK ABOUT ALL THE THINGSSSSSS!!

push pineapples, shake a tree...: [bb] scene | purple skieswaltzmatildah on February 6th, 2014 03:23 am (UTC)
Fly is an incredible episode!! You are definitely not alone in your love for it!!

My other favourites were Thirty Eight Snub (the one directly after Box Cutter) for its utter contrast to the premiere, Crawl Space for its ending, Ozymandias for, like, every single second of its utter perfection (favourite episode of television ever in the history of the whole planet), and Felina, which was flaw free in its role as a series finale. Where all the loose ends you could think of (and some you'd forgotten) were tied up and every single character still standing got a fitting farewell, right down to Walt shooting Uncle Jack mid-sentence.

URGHHHHH.

I could talk about this show foreverrrrrrr.

Amen.
Noelle: HIMYM - the guysspuffy_noelle on February 27th, 2014 12:29 am (UTC)
Is Crawl Space the episode where Walt drives his Aztec into oncoming traffic? Such a perfect moment of panic, right there. Ugh Ozymandias legit ripped my heart out! As much as I didn't love Hank going after Walt so ruthlessly (which I understand is so utterly HANK, but it still hurt to watch their family destroyed), I did not want him to die. And the fact that Hank knew there was no way out and stayed true to himself was just amazing!!
push pineapples, shake a tree...: [bb] walt | the big revealwaltzmatildah on February 27th, 2014 05:43 am (UTC)
Yep, that is Crawl Space. The ending is what I most love...



And, in retrospect, such an amazing parallel to the final scene in Felina!!
ever_neutral: [bb] meth on the goever_neutral on February 6th, 2014 05:51 am (UTC)
Walt & Jesse are everything.

What I loved about Skyler is that she wasn’t a good person either? I actually respect the fuck out of the show for going there, i.e. letting her become actively complicit in Walt’s business, while also still encouraging you to sympathise with her. It seems like fandom either hated her for being a ~nagging wife, or cast her as a total victim, but she was way more complex than that.

The episode about the fly is on my top five from the whole show. I will throw down with anyone who denies its brilliance.
Noelle: Spuffy - Storytellerspuffy_noelle on February 27th, 2014 12:31 am (UTC)
Took me long enough to respond to theses comments?

Honestly in the beginning I really couldn't stand how much of a nag she was, but then she turned out to be this whole other person which I loved and loved to hate at times. Which I think says a lot about what an amazing character she is because she takes you on this huge roller coaster with all the ups and downs of her story.
goldenusagigoldenusagi on February 6th, 2014 12:23 pm (UTC)
Plus, it cracked me up that Jesse always referred to his partner as "Mr. White".

Always awesome.

But then I liked the episodes where EVERYTHING happened like when Gus takes Jesse to Mexico and kills EVERYONE

A personal favorite. Gus is awesome.

every time Walt struck it big making all this money by selling drugs, it was taken away from him

I love how it escalates. Like, no matter what he has, somehow it manages to disappear. Whether it's $10,000 or $1 million dollars, whether it's paying off Saul or Skyler giving it to Ted, the money never stays and he's back to square one.
Noellespuffy_noelle on February 27th, 2014 12:32 am (UTC)
Whether it's $10,000 or $1 million dollars, whether it's paying off Saul or Skyler giving it to Ted, the money never stays and he's back to square one.

EXACTLY.

I really liked how a show about drug dealers made it so realistic and not just two guys living the "dream".
Naomi: BB Walt and Jesse by stolen-gardenfrelling_tralk on February 7th, 2014 12:23 am (UTC)
Fly was one of my favourite episodes <3 I've seen a lot of viewers dismissing it because nothing happens in it, but anytime an episode has a lot of Walt and Jesse scenes it just flies by for me. I loved Four Days Out as well, I know there was a lot of abuse and dysfunction between them by the end definitely, but I used to find Jesse and Walt so cute together early on when they were driving one another crazy lol. Probably part of why I have such a soft spot for season 1

And yeah I found Skyler annoying at first too tbh, she really started growing on me in season 3 and especially 4 when she started working with Walt to launder the money. I used to find the family scenes would kind of drag for me, but definitely her character really picked up later on when she had her own moments of breaking bad
Noellespuffy_noelle on February 27th, 2014 12:33 am (UTC)
but anytime an episode has a lot of Walt and Jesse scenes it just flies by for me.

That's exactly what I loved about it so much. With everything else going on it was nice to have it back to just those two for an episode.

The best scene with Skylar and Walt for me was the awkward dinner when they had Jesse over. LOL Love uncomfortable scenes!
push pineapples, shake a tree...: [bb] jesse | the end of the storywaltzmatildah on February 27th, 2014 05:46 am (UTC)
SO MUCH AWESOME RIGHT HERE, OMG!



Aaron Paul's faaaaace when he's drinking the water after Skyler asks if Walt told him about her affair. OHLOLOLFOREVER!

Edited at 2014-02-27 05:48 am (UTC)
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